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Sunday, December 9, 2007

The VatiCon March of the Mushroom Men.....Part2

I have yet to comment on this...I will though....The 23 cardinals are symbolic of the 23 chromosomes the Key or KEE to RECREATION.....Kee the Sumerian Babylonian word for EARTH and the name of the Black refugee in the film Children of Men. She is the last fertile woman on earth the result of a total lack of Fecundity. Genetic salvation sails away on the waters of life while steeped in the waters of the FOG is the final scene of this film which stars Clive Owen the man who dislikes Nazi bankers (Inside Man) in a film where the real treasure is INFORMATION.
That's all DNA is INFORMATION......................................Copied Information...........

At the end of this 5min vid A Pope who calls himself THE POPE invokes ATUM the Egyptian god and head of THE NINE...
These men worship Atlantis and the real treasure of Altantis is Knowledge & Information.

Saturday, November 10, 2007

The NINE

So who are THE NINE really? Do they exist? Are the just a fiction created from other older stories that certain groups needed to continue telling and have chosen a new medium for their tale? Are they the ancient Gods of Egypt?
More excerpts from The Stargate Conspiracy and discussion.......

A Momentous Revelation:

"Their precise identity was revealed in September 1974 in a channelling session with Schlemmer, in response to a question asked by Gene Roddenberry: 'To whom am I talking? do you have a name?'`Tom replied:













"As you know I am the spokesman for The Nine. But I also have another position, which I have with you in the project. I will try to give you names so you understand in what you work and who we are. I may not pronounce who I am in a manner that you will understand because of the problem in the beings brain (His Name for Schlemmer), but I will explain so that the doctor (Puharich) perhaps will understand. I am Tom, but I am also Harmarkus ( Harmarchis), I am also Harenkur, I am also known as TUM and I am known as ATUM".http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atum

At this stage I would like to point some simple mistakes that have been made. You see in order to make this believable the entranced subject must give us some details to substantiate who and what it is. The Gods would hardly expect us to believe in them if they offer us no evidence of their existence. Wait a minute hasn't that been the way most of the mainstream religions have worked through the ages. We are asked to have faith and offered no proof. Why in this case are we suddenly being offered proof of their supposed existence? Proof that seems ambiguous and contradictory at that.

Why can the Alien being use the English language perfectly correctly in certain circumstances but not in others. Tom seems to understand how and where to use the word THE yet on either side of his exclamation that he isn't speaking correctly he slips in a couple of grammatical errors. How does he know that he isn't speaking in accordance with what the questioner is expecting to hear? How does he know that the expression "In what you work and who we are" doesn't make sense grammatically. If he said "In what WE work AT and who we are" all would have been fine and there would have been no need to even talk about his incorrect use of English. Is THE PROBLEM with THE BEINGS brain that when occupied by an alien being she is unable to use the words WE & AT. Why does Tom say The Problem instead of A Problem. He has used the word THE several times correctly why the sudden change preceded by an EXCUSE for poor grammar? Why does a supreme being that is part of an Intergalactic Council feel the need to make excuses to Gene Roddenberry for this? Is Gene Roddenberry that important that A GOD should apologise to HIM?Well is He.


Why does the being say I will TRY to give you names instead of I will give you names. He does go on to immediately give four names in total. Did that take a lot of effort to say those names. I will try implies that he may not be able to yet he spouts out 4 different names in quick succession. I can imagine this Schlemmer woman huffing and puffing like the channelling is taking is out of her at the start. She begins by leading gene by saying AS YOU KNOW, She then establishes Authority by calling herself the Spokesman. She then implies that this may be difficult and makes excuses for the beings intermittent lack of knowledge when it comes to the correct use of the English language. She then implies that this might just all be a little bit over Genes head and that the clever doctor might understand and be able to explain it to him. This appears to be all that was conveyed that day. Whew that was hard wasn't it. Thank you God for that wonderful knowledge you have imparted to us my life is now complete..........

" The next day, following up the Harmarchis, Puharich asked: 'How did the Egyptians come to build and name the Sphinx after you? Tom replied:"

"You have found the secret. (A pause for consultation) The true knowledge of that will be related to you at another time. Buy I will say briefly to you concerning the Sphinx: I am the beginning. I am the end. I am the Emissary. But the original time that I was on the Planet Earth was 34,000. I am the balance. And when I say I - I mean because I am an Emissary for the NINE. It is not I, but it is the group.....We are the NINE principles of the UNIVERSE, yet together we are one."


What we have in this segment is funny. The being clearly demonstrates that he understands the concept Of oneness by using the term I, 4 times. Realizing that she went over the top with the I 's an excuse is thrown in at the end. "It is not I" , "but it is the Group" what a farce. The being understands perfectly our definition of space time by calling it the Universe, which apparently hasn't changed in definition in thousands of years. He understands that we refer to the Sphinx as the Sphinx yet he cant use grammar. Are we to take it then that the definition of the Universe as it was when this was spoken is the true and only correct definition of the Universe. You can if you like, but I think that this poor excuse for an actress is so full of it I'm surprised she didn't explode. What a sad way to attract attention to yourself. What a sad little person she must have been. Teamed up with The Master Mind Controller Puharich the act was probably convincing.

Did this experience affect Gene Roddenberry. Is there evidence for the NINE in the programs he has made. His experience was in 1974 in 1979 we had a return of the Enterprise with Star Trek the Motion Picture.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Trek:_The_Motion_Picture


In the wake of Star Trek's popularity in the early 1970s as a result of newborn Trek fandom and syndication, there were several failed attempts to produce a Trek feature film, starting in 1974. A number of ideas were seriously pitched for a film to be entitled Star Trek II. These included "The God Thing" by Gene Roddenberry about a vessel visiting Earth claiming to be God, a story by Harlan Ellison about alien reptiles changing Earth's past to make snakes evolutionarily dominant, and "The Planet of the Titans."[3][4]

Skipping forward in time and many other syncs. Lets take a close look at DEEP SPACE NINE.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_Space_Nine

Conceived in 1991, shortly before Gene Roddenberry’s death, DS9 centers on the space station Deep Space Nine, which is under the joint control of the United Federation of Planets and Bajor, a planet recently liberated from a long, brutal Cardassian occupation

Benjamin Sisko (Avery Brooks), the Human Starfleet officer placed in charge of Deep Space Nine. At the start of the series, he is a grieving widower and father of a teenage son. He and Jadzia Dax discover the Bajoran wormhole, which the Bajorans believe is the home of the Prophets, their gods and protectors. The Bajorans hail Sisko as the Emissary of the Prophets, an exalted religious status that initially makes him very uncomfortable.

It's not like he's trying to hide it is he. There are countless syncs in Star Trek and most are sitting on the surface in plain view. Two rather curious syncs revolve around Kira Nerys and Chancellor Gowran who both appeared in episodes of MacGyver alongside the Stargate/Atlantis chasing Ricky Dean Anderson. Nana Visitor who plays Kira stared alongside MacGyver in an episode where he is trying to cap an Oil well fire single handedly. At one point in the story MacGyver exclaims that He is not PERFECT yet but he will be some day. I will save the MacGyver syncs for another time as there are so many it is beyond belief. Anyway DS9 gives us Stargate Gods 9 of them, that live in a higher Dimension. It also gives us an Emissary who just happened to go to the http://www.masongross.rutgers.edu/index_noflash.html that's MASON Gross theatrical shcool. Note: In the real world Atum sat upon the BENBEN stone and in DS9 BEN BEN SISKO goes to find the Gods who live in a STARGATE and saves them using a stone ORB that he finds on a desolate planet that looks a lot like Mars.

The Emissary receives his instructions from the wormhole/stargate gods in the form of visions. It is interesting to note that in an episode called "Far Beyond the Stars", He is swept away in a vision where he plays the role of a science fiction writer called Benny Russell in 1950's NewYork. The Russell part may be a reference to Kurt Russell the first man ever to pass through the Stargate on TV. As part of this plot he receives the storyline of DS9 in visions. The character of Chief O'Brien also plays the part of a sci-fi writer based on Isaac Asimov.[1]
Benny Russell appears in another vision in the episode "
Shadows and Symbols".

So as you have been sitting at home watching Star Trek thinking isn't this a quaint innocent little vision of the future, you have actually been duped by a high degree FreeMason who believes people like Phylis Schlemmer and The Council of Nine.

"Tom claims to be Atum the ancient Egyptian creator god of whom the Sphinx was created as a living image (Sheshep-ankhAtum), the head of the Great Ennead of Nine Gods, which the ancient Egyptians regarded asNine that are One. Tom has also said that we are the universe which again represents the old Heliopolitan belief."

"the Egyptians themselves actually referred to the Heliopolitan gods as The Nine"

Heliopolis.Pyramid Texts, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ennead

The most important of the Egyptian Enneads, the so-called Great Ennead (also called the Heliopolis Ennead) consisted of Atum, the first god, his children Shu and Tefnut, and their descendants Geb, Nut, Osiris, Isis, Set, and Nephthys.

Getting back to DS9 which we now know is based on a mad woman's hypnotic musings Gene a name which I think is an astounding sync in itself provides us with what may be a very valuable clue. The wormhole aliens/gods have provided the people with guidance in the form of the "Tears of the Prophets or ORBs)

Tears of the Prophets or Orbs are a set of artifacts which featured prominently in the story arcs of Star Trek: Deep Space Nine. According to Bajoran religious tradition, they were sent to the Bajoran people from the Prophets to help guide them, hence their name.The Bajoran orbs are somewhat mysterious in that they defy scientific analysis. They are hourglass-shaped and emanate light and a visible field of energy. Each Orb has a unique power or property; some will create visions, others (such as the Orb of Time), can actually transport a person to another time. After an Orb encounter, individuals may experience later visions known as orb shadows. Although medical science explains these residual hallucinations as the result of excess neuropeptides in the brain, Bajorans believe that Orb shadows only result when individuals ignore what their Orb experience had told them.

The first four of the nine original Orbs are named in Deep Space Nine. The fifth, the Orb of Memory, is featured but not directly named. The tenth Orb, the Orb of the Emissary, is also named. The remaining Orbs (6-9) are identified in various Star Trek novels. Bajorans believe the devices were sent by the Prophets to communicate with the Bajoran people. As gifts from their gods, these orbs are highly prized, kept in ornate jeweled cases and conventionally guarded by force fields. Nine such orbs, at least five of which were found in the Denoris Belt, were recovered by the Bajoran people during their long history. Of these nine, many were stolen or desecrated by the Cardassians during the Cardassian Occupation, and at least one is known to have fractured {i.e The Storyteller"}. A tenth Orb, the Orb of the Emissary, was discovered by Captain Benjamin Sisko on the planet Tyree. This Orb was (presumably) hidden there by his mother, Sarah Sisko, who is one of the Prophets.

Tyree - Desolate, uninhabited planet where the Prophet's "Orb of the Emissary" artifact was hidden. Or MARS which the last time I checked was fairly desolate......

From Thoth Architect of the Universe, by Ralph Ellis.

"And King Solomon sent and fetched Hiram out of Tyre. he was a widows son out of the tribe of Napthali, and his father was a man of Tyre, a worker in brass....For he cast two Pillars of Brass, of 18 cubits apiece: and a line of twelve cubits did encompass either of them about." Ben Siskos was the son of a Widowed prophet who took human form to have Ben Ben, She the left this plane of existence and did not die leaving behind a Widower in Ben Sisko's father Joseph Sisko who happened to play the Brass when his son played piano.

Hiram, King of Tyre, is credited in 2 Samuel 5:11 and 1 Kings 5:1-10 for having sent building materials and men for the original construction of the Temple in Jerusalem. Just like Hiram Abif, Ben Sisko is tested for his integrity when stabbed while back home on earth. Will Ryker also played the Brass numerous times on board the Enterprise, I wonder....hasnt he done quite a few UFO specials for discovery channel.

The important sync is that in Bladerunner "Dr. Eldon Tyrell is the genius who has built up the large Pyramid shaped Tyrell Corporation. His creations are Replicants, some of which have been given away as an incentive for people to emigrate to the Off-World colonies. Others are used in combat to protect those settlers. Roy Batty, along with J.F. Sebastian, finds Tyrell, and asks him to extend his life beyond the four-year limit built into Nexus Six replicants. However, this is impossible-after the mutiny, when the limit was implemented, they were instead given superhuman capabilities in order to ensure maximum performance in this limited time-capabilities that burn them out like falling stars. As Tyrell states, "The light that burns twice as bright burns half as long, and you have burned so very brightly, Roy." Upon hearing this, Batty crushes Tyrell's head with his bare hands."

The Replicants came from MARS and Just like the Indigo's they burn bright but for how long. Where is it that Hoagland and the boys want us to visit so that we can see the "FACE" for ourselves. Do they believe that by going to Mars they will find something there like a HALL of Records or better yet an ORB. Do they believe any of this shit or are they just trying to create a world religion under false pretenses. Is there any other way to set up a religion?

Tuesday, October 30, 2007

M is for Murat.....Madeline..Messiah..Mason..Motive..Magdalene oh & Murder Mystery Maybe.....

Before you read this I would like to direct your attention to the following articles by Ben Fairhall over at his blog... These articles got me thinking on the subject I am about to discuss....




What I will describe now for you is what i feel syncronicities are all about.

I had read Ben's articles when he first posted them but I return to them on a regular basis for names, places things that pop up you know...





I had never heard of the name "Robert Murat" or more importantly to my tale "MURAT" before the Madeline McCann episode on Sky News. I had never before heard of or to the best of my knowledge saw the word Murat written down. If you follow the link below it brings you to the Times online article that i am about to quote liberally from.




http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article1794603.ece

So the other day I was reading. I had read from a few sections of books I have. I saw The Messianic Legacy by Baigent, Leigh and Lincoln so flipped it open on a random page. I had also been on the web at you tube and reading Ben's new articles...i also had a look to see if there was any new comments on the articles I had read. The first sync that happened was that Ben's new story was about genetics and Nazi's... I flipped open the Messianic legacy on page 203... were it says...




" It is interesting that none of the Occult aspects of NAZI Germany found it's way to the copious evidence and documentation of the NUREMBERG TRIALS. Why?"

Ben's article included the following "At the end of the war, the Allies protected from prosecution the very Nazi scientists who had tortured thousands of people to death. The Nazi brand of eugenics had embarrassed the elites, but they had no intention of stopping their plans... "


So that was a bit weird. I then reread some of the MM stories. Something about the whole Murat thing stank a bit but I didn't dwell on it too much.

The bits that stank are these: from the times article:

Nr 1 - He has only 1 EYE I quote:
"Mr Murat, who lost an eye in a motorbike accident as a teenager when he crashed into the wall of a railway station"


Nr 2 - He has a Previous involvement with UK police as a Translator:
"But he also earned £150 a time as a translator for Norfolk police, using his language skills to help their inquiries among the large Portuguese community in the county."


Nr 3 - He was known as a Good Samaritan:
"Mr Murat had a reputation, not only in the car trade but in Hockering, as something of a Good Samaritan."


Nr's 4 & 5 - He works in property yet spent years as a car salesman.. just like that... no problems... except his wife and child bugger off ...I wonder did he ever work for Mason Estate agents.....maybe that's how he stepped so easily in to his current job that he was willing to lose his wife and child for,that apparently he loves ssoooooooo much.

"Mr Murat, 33, whose father is Portuguese, carried on as a self-employed property consultant on the Algarve."
"The former car salesman “lost” her when his wife, Dawn, returned to her native Norfolk with their daughter four months after the family had emigrated to Portugal because she was homesick and he stayed behind. "
"Inchcape Autoparc used car dealership in Norwich, where Mr Murat had worked for four years."
So as you can see Mr Murat seems to be a bit of a dodgy character who it seems is not behaving consistently with his claims of loving his Wife and child. So from here I must tell you what happened next: I am about to quote liberally from The Messianic Legacy.....
I lit a dubious cigarette and picked up the Messianic Legacy again this time on page 386... and read...
"Not long after we had meet him M. Plantard had sent us a deposition dated the 11/May/1955 and made in Paris by one Poirer Murat who described himself as a Chevalier of the Legion of Honneur, a holder of the Medaille Militaire (MM) and a former officer in the french resistance."

This was a bit strange and sent a shudder down my spine. There I was reading about a Mr Murat a name I had never before heard and there it is twice in the same day within an hour of each other and within an hour of the other syncronicity to do with Genetics and Nazi's.

So Madeline McCann or MM disappears on the 3/May/2007 and Mr Murat or MM becomes a suspect on the 15/May/2007. It was MM's 4th birthday on the 12/May/2007 9 days after vanishing and it was 52 (4*13) years plus 4 days from the time MM or Mr Murat gave his deposition in Paris. Mr Murat or MM also gave a Deposition not in Paris but this year and to the police in Portugal the same Police he worked for on the MM case offering his services again as a translator. MM or Madeline McCann Was profected on to the Royal Masonic Arch in Paris.


http://www.missingpeople.org.uk/news-and-events/news/detail.asp?dsid=214

From Messianic Legacy I quote:

"According to M.Murat's statement, he had known M. Plantard since 1941. M Murat further stated that M.Plantard, between 1941 and 1943 had edited a "Resistance Journal"called Vaincre.( Vaincre is a french verb which means "To Convince"). The Deposition also declared that M.Plantard had been intered by the Gestapo in the prison of Fresnes from October 1943 until February 1944."

"We can find no trace of M. Plantard passing through this establishment between October 1943 and February 1944. Had Poiret Murat - Chavalier of the Legion of Honneur holder of the Medaille Militaire and former officer of the french resistance - been lying during his deposition?If so, why? If not why was there no record of M.Plantard's incarceration at Fresnes? Had the record been removed? Or had there, for some unspecified reason, never been a record made."

"Our attempt to trace Vaincre, the resistance with which M.Plantard had been associated proved markedly more successful. We found six editions of Vaincre which appear to be all that were published. Contrary to our expectations, they were not furtive,cursorily produced broadsheets. there was nothing clandestine about them at all.. "


"They were printed on high quality paper, which was difficult to obtain in France at the time and included illustrations and photographs. The first issue was openly stated to have been published by Poirer Murats company in 1379 copies. By the 6th issue a print run of 4500 copies was claimed. On the whole , Vaincre represented a venture that could not possibly have been undertaken without some knowledge on the part of the Authorities. It also represented a venture that must have had substantial Money behind it."

So what is Vaincre about you might ask...oh well might you ask....

"From the 6 issues we obtained it was difficult to see Vaincre as
a "Resistance Journal". The articles in it, by named and sometimes well known contributors dealt primarily with a combination of esoterica, Myth and pure fantasy. There was much talk of Atlantis, for example. there was particular emphasis on the Ancient Celtic wisdom tradition and the mythic themes and images in which it had survived. There was also a kind of Neo-Zoroastrian theosophy, with Tibetan initiates and hidden cities in the Himalayas. Above all, however, Vaincre purported to be the organ of a specific organisation, or order, called Alpha Galates"
Search for Alpha Galates and you might find this:http://www.melodic.net/artistsOne.asp?artistId=11443

It's about a band called Alpha Galates they changed their name recently from THE HOLLOW. The Lead singer is one Matthew Wagner a man possessed of the upside down MM cipher. MW instead of MM. This MW cipher is often used instead of MM for example it was used in the film Alien vs Predator MW being the Initials of the Foundation belonging to Mr Weyland that was searching for the Alien Pyramid under the ice...
MW had this to say of his reasons for choosing the name of the band.

"First Gauls is the literal translation," explains Wagner. "It all ties into the Priory of Zion stuff, and apparently it´s real. I saw it in a book called Rule By Secrecy and I just liked the name. There was some resistance group in World War II in France that was helping free Jews from Paris. I mean, there´s not really any evidence that any of this stuff exists outside of Dan Brown books and a few documents, but it´s all quite interesting."

Quite interesting indeed. Mr MW. Interesting cover art too Natio meaning Birth is not far away from NATO is it.
From Wiki:

The North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO); French: Organisation du Traité de l'Atlantique Nord (OTAN); (also called the North Atlantic Alliance, the Atlantic Alliance, or the Western Alliance) is a military alliance, established by the signing of the North Atlantic Treaty on 4 April 1949. With headquarters in Brussels, Belgium,[2] the organization established a system of collective defence whereby its member states agree to mutual defence in response to an attack by any external party.

These talks resulted in the North Atlantic Treaty, which was signed in Washington, D.C. on 4 April 1949.


The incorporation of West Germany into the organisation on 9 May 1955 was described as "a decisive turning point in the history of our continent" by Halvard Lange, Foreign Minister of Norway at the time.[4] Indeed, one of its immediate results was the creation of the Warsaw Pact, signed on 14 May 1955 by the Soviet Union and its satellite states, as a formal response to this event, thereby delineating the two opposing sides of the Cold War.


So Mr Murat becomes a suspect in the Madeline McCann case exactly 52 years after the signing of both the Warsaw Pact and the signing of a deposition which implicated M. Plantard in the writing of a Templar, Masonic, Chivalric Journal who's aim it was to covertly free Jews from the German Occupation.

"Alpha galates presented itself as a chivalric order. or a neo-chivalric order. The principles of chivalry were stressed repeatedly and most of the articles in Vaincre addressed themselves to chivalric themes"


One of the main contributors to Vaincre was one Robert AMADOU. "please don't call her Maddie" or maybe Kate McCann meant to say please don't call her aMadou.

"Robert Amadou, now a well known writer on Esoteric and Masonic subjects, A Martinist and a member of the Grand Swiss Lodge Alpina."

The Messianic Legacy goes on to outline how Vaincre, although it contained anti Jewish propaganda was in fact an under cover op basically sponsored by De Gaulle sympathisers and resistance men like M.Murat that is was in fact sending out coded messages within it's pages to aid the Jews not hinder their cause.

So Vaincre means To Convince and the McCanns have done nothing but try to convince the rest of us of many things. There is talk of things like Madelines law being brought in, in the EU and America where there are similar silly named proposals for law changes.

The Messianic Legacy states the goals of Alpha Galates as:

1... the unity of France within her geographic frontiers and the abolition of the line of demarcation between the german occupied zones and those under Vichy control.

2... the mobilisation of all french resources and energy for the defense of the nation and particularly an appeal to the young for obligatory service.

3... the creation of a NEW WESTERN ORDER a young european Chivalry whose keynote was to Solidarity within each European nation. This Organisation, known as solidarity was to be represent the first stage of the United States of the West.

Nato Wiki:

"NATO's charter—Article 5 which states that any attack on a member state will be considered an attack against the entire group of members. The invocation was confirmed on 4 October 2001 when NATO determined that the attacks were indeed eligible under the terms of the North Atlantic Treaty.[23] The eight official actions taken by NATO in response to the attacks included the first two examples of military action taken in response to an invocation of Article 5: Operation Eagle Assist and Operation Active Endeavour.

Despite this early show of Solidarity, NATO faced a crisis little more than a year later, when on 10 February 2003, France and Belgium vetoed the procedure of silent approval concerning the timing of protective measures for Turkey in case of a possible war with Iraq. Germany did not use its right to break the procedure but said it supported the veto.
On the issue of Afghanistan on the other hand, the alliance showed greater unity: On 16 April 2003 NATO agreed to take command of the International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) in Afghanistan. The decision came at the request of Germany and the Netherlands, the two nations leading ISAF at the time of the agreement, and all 19 NATO ambassadors approved it unanimously. The handover of control to NATO took place on 11 August 2004, and marked the first time in NATO’s history that it took charge of a mission outside the north Atlantic area. Canada had originally been slated to take over ISAF by itself on that date."

On the 11/August/2007 or day 100(10 *10) after MM disappears there is Talk of Solidarity, this quote is the only mention of the word Solidarity on the McCann weblog and it just so happens to be talked about on day 100 and exactly 3 years to the Day that NATO or the wet dream organisation envisioned by Alpha Galates takes over in Afganistan after inital unpresidented display of Solidarity followed by doubts and Veto's then they go back to Solidarity.

"We spoke to our family about the events in Glasgow and Liverpool. There was warm response at both venues and clearly many people are very happy to show support. Unfortunately we did not see any of the coverage on television. We did see highlights of the English premier league last night and note many of the clubs chose to wear Madeleine t-shirts and wristbands as well as playing the Don’t You Forget About Me video. There was also events at the rugby internationals and Ascot racecourse with 12 international jockeys wearing Madeleine t-shirts. The fact that so many people are prepared to show Solidarity with us in our search for our daughter does help restore our faith in humanity."

Now I didnt think that this tale could get any more convoluted there was syncronicities slapping the crap out of my face everytime I read something. I am still bewildered by the implication of the syncs that I had alreadt found.

Then I went out and bought Lynn Picknett's book "The Secret History of Lucifer" and this is what I read........on page 5....

"Many Jewish and early christian chroniclers pursued a fruitless task of trying to locate the Four Rivers of Paradise. These are named in the bible as the Euphrates and the Tigris - both of which are real and important features of the near east - togerher with the apparently mythical Gihon and Pison, although the first century jewish historian Flavius Josephus believed that one of the laterwas actually the Nile, placing Eden in north Africa. Indeed, some early church fathers and late classical writers placed Eden in Ethopia, Mongolia or even India. Others have Located the early Paradise in eastern Turkey, where it would have been served by the Euphrates, Tigress and the River MURAT, the north folk of the Euphrates provided the identy of the Mysterious North River."

From Wiki, River Murat:
Murat River (Turkish: Murat Nehri). The Murat is the major headstream of the Euphrates. It was also called Arsanias in antiquity. The river rises near Mount Ararat north of Lake Van, in eastern Turkey, and flows westward for 722 km (449 miles) through a mountainous region. There it unites with the Karasu Çayi and forms the Upper Euphrates near Malatya.

So the R Murat was the Missing River and it just happens to be located in the area addressed by the concerns of the european countries in the invasion of Iraq. Would it be too far a stretch to say that if you are looking for the mythical garden of Eden that Iraq would be a good place to start.

I am not finished with this yet, there is more to this story........to be continued........